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The Toothed Bench Stop May Not Be So Evil After All

I got rid of my brass bench dogs a few years ago. The catalyst was probably the guys from Time Warp Toolworks who were giving away bench dogs made of Ash when I shared a booth with them at Woodworking in America in 2011. Today you will find the dog holes in my bench plugged with wooden dogs. I only dinged up a plane on a brass dog once so it isn’t like I have horror stories that drove me to wooden dogs. I think wooden dogs are like insurance: you hope you never need it but you feel good knowing it is there.

Tooth bench stopSo for a few years now I have shunned any metal bench implements other than my holdfasts…until this weekend. I worked at the Steppingstone Museum both days this weekend and brought along some mouldings that I needed to stick. Two or our continental benches just aren’t long enough for the 9 foot boards I was using so I move over to our Nicholson style bench that is about 15 feet long. This bench doesn’t have any vises or dog holes but it does have one of those metal toothed stops that you can raise and lower with a whack of the mallet. I was dubious but faced with no other alternative so I raised it up about an inch and placed my 7/8x4x9′ board on edge to be jointed. I would have much preferred my leg vise back at home for stability on this kind of board and was worried that I would be in for a shaky ride with this single stop.

Edge planing with a toothed bench stopI was really surprised. The toothed stop grabbed on to the end grain of my board and held it firmly in place so that I was able to joint the entire 9′ edge with no problem. What’s more the board had a lot of side bend to it already so it wouldn’t register cleanly against the bench top. I marked the opposite edge and planed the next side down to the line without a problem using the same set up. Of course with the previously jointed edge down it was even more stable. Finally I like to chamfer the back side lower corner on base moulding like this to ensure a snug fit up against the case. The stop held on to the board even when I shifted my pressure from vertical to plane that chamfer.

I guess in hindsight I shouldn’t be surprised because this is essentially the same thing I do on my sticking board in my own shop except I have a series of wood screws. I’m writing this mainly because I know I have been adverse to using a toothed stop like this in the past. I have read a few reviews over time too that backed up that assumption. It is possible that some of the negative reviews may have been inspired by some of the modern manufactured stops on the market, but having not used one of those I can’t say for sure. I can’t even say I’ll be looking for one of these since my current workbench has never let me down with work holding. But this experience does remind me to never discount something until I have had a chance to give it a try first. The proliferation of these metal stops from history must tell us that they were adopted by quite a few woodworkers. Maybe if I build another bench one of these will have a home.

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Chris Wong

Shannon,

I have two questions for you:
1) Do you usually use a pinching force (from a Wonder Dog, for example) to secure long work to the top of your bench?
2) Did you use a pinching force, or any other additional support for the workpiece at the Steppingstone Museum?

“Today you will find the dog holes in my bench plugged with wooden dogs.”
Is that because you drilled a dog hole in green wood? Ha ha ha…

Chris

    Shannon

    Good questions Chris:
    1)It depends: usually I will use my wagon vise to pinch between dogs, but just as often I will leave the piece free and work only up against the dog. That can be much faster than clamping and unclamping. For edge work, I drop it into the leg vise and if necessary bring my sliding leg vise to bear for really long stuff.
    2)No additional support while at the museum. That’s what was so impressive. Obviously if the end grain is a show surface then you are marking it up and this won’t fly. However it is a rare situation where you can trim that off or conceal it in joinery.

Richard

Shannon,

You mention that these dogs are raised and lowered with a hammer. Is there an adjustment to ensure they raise and lower smoothly or are they held in place with lateral pressure from the wood?

    Shannon

    with this particular stop it is just friction fit into a metal sleeve so the only adjustment is to tap to raise and lower. In others I have seen there is a screw you turn to raise and lower. Still others have nifty spring loaded mechanisms.

Mike Wasson

Shannon ,do you know what a sticking board is? I saw one on the net /Utube the other night but I can’t remember where and I think I might make one instead of using a fixed toothed bench/board stop. Lee Valley has a morticed bench dog/ stop, but as you say I really don’t want to hit it with a plane blade. I do a lot more work with my #45 now and have a difficult time attaching small width boards to the front on my bench. I have a Roubo style bench with a leg vise and end vise.

    Shannon

    Absolutely, I have one I have made that I use primarily for sticking mouldings. But they can be made in all shapes and sizes for different tasks.

Rick Dafler

Shannon, About a year ago I wrote to you about building a work bench as a newbie wood worker. You wrote back and encouraged me, but I found what I thought was a reasonable alternative I could afford. BOY HOWDY, did I?
As sturdy and heavy as this workbench was, it also had a mysterious metal medallion embedded in its surface that one could almost read. We managed to read the CHICAGO, but it wasn’t until months later, after much persistence that we thought we read CHRISTIANSEN on the top. Off we went to the web, and if you have ever looked you know what we found. I had no idea what a bargain I had stumbled in to.
Thanks to “cityboyforge.com/christiansen.htm” I now have the specifications for one of these notorious toothed bench stops that I need to complete the bench. I’m clearing out some time to work with a tool shop to have one made. Hopefully I’ll shortly be able to comment on how well it does or doesn’t work.
Just stumbled on to this page researching bench stops and thought you might be interested in “page two.” Really enjoy your videos and web page. Please keep up the good work.
BTW, I’ve added an older Williamson 7.5 inch face vise and a new smaller Irwin vice for the end. Had I know what bench I was working with earlier I would’ve worked at getting a wood screw face vice more in keeping, but that can wait until another day.
Thanks,
Rick Dafler